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skeptic zone the podcast from Australia

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hello and welcome to the skeptics are an

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episode number 322 Merry Christmas

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coming up on this week's episode it's a

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Maynard may not chatting to well one of

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my favorite people in the world what a

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what a man what a talent what a good

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skeptic is George shrub a writer of one

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of my favorite songs comes across your

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face you try to battle distances of all

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the stuff of space but you can trap the

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bacon of your mind around the pagan of

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all the terms required to describe how

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big oh yes may not caught up with a Geo

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George rub at the Australian skeptics

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convention just a couple of weeks ago

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and what an interesting interview he has

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in fact I feel quite guilty because

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towards the end of the interview I had

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to come into the room and give them the

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windup because they're the room was

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shutting the venue was shutting I could

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have they should have maybe let them

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chat on for longer coming up may not

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interviews George rub and then following

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that Maynard quickly catches up with a

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very famous man in Australia dick smith

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an Australian certainly know who I'm

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talking about Dick Smith is one of the

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founders of Australian skeptics he was

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at the convention to and dicks can a

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chat to may not about his views on

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population dick Smith's views on

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population coming up after a chat with a

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cured trauma following that it's a week

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in science from the oil institution of

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Australia w WR I a u.s. org dot a you

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hello to all those wonderful people

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through all institution of Australia in

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the beautiful city of Adelaide so glad I

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was able to visit not long ago and then

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it's evidence please with Joe alabasta

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and a slightly more jazzy theme yeah

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a little bit this week Joe continues her

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review retrospective analysis report

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thoughts on the Australian skeptics

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national

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vention Greek invention really had a

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good time there in other news the DVD of

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the vaccination Chronicles is now

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to cover lots of costs involved in

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want to print out that artwork it might

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look good but that's the deal if you

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chronicles which includes extra

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cover costs and then you'll have a copy

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keep on air or on the internet or in

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your ear so to speak and I wonder where

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on that train commuting to work or on

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the bus are you walking the dog are you

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the dishes I wonder all cleaning

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wonder what you're doing whatever you're

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doing I hope that the skeptic zone keeps

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and that gives us all a nice feeling

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here at skeptic zone headquarters I can

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tell you but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs make a nice toasted cheese

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sandwich oh yeah Swiss cheese maybe all

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Swiss cheese toasted sandwich and if

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you're in Australia you can add a bit of

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years may not spooky action at a

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look when the call went out from the

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Australian Government to get a man to

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this country that that could pick a core

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anglais from a French horn from a

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kilometer away they called George rah

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Here I am Here I am we always are

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shouting at the end of these these

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marathon these marathon weekends I love

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it you get me all giddy and walked out

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brought last time we spoke was at the

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end of Tam it what do you get at the end

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of these things I got a nice bottle of

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wine which apparently is some is some

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big to do there's some local vine

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merchant whatever the whatever the term

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is I don't even know that is here grog

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shop grog shop I guess who has it signed

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maybe actually you could help me a

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certain what this is we've got geoffrey

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gurrumul yunupingu oh yeah good in

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ditches me nice and then Bert sauna just

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stuff and then you're the classic

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indigenous stuff oh okay so this is this

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is the real deal this is all pretty good

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day yeah I'll fantastic actually

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actually someone on my Facebook page was

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asked me about combinations of

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didgeridoo with bagpipes you have been

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done techno didgeridoo it's been done in

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fact we couldn't find any style that I

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think we couldn't find was Christmas

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music done with a didgeridoo that's

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ish you would think that that would work

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maybe yeah I don't know oh cuz we'll

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have to a bit with you for the Christmas

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show on the moment because being in

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Bethlehem it's coming up to your

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favorite time of year or second favor

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you rid of the Thanksgiving guy aren't

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ya Thanksgiving is my favorite

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Thanksgiving but because of its lack of

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any kind of religious package

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thanksgiving is nice thanksgiving is

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food food and family so that's that I

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enjoy Christmas however is more all

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engulfing and it's more of a season so

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so the build up to it I am I am one of

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those people that really likes the

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delayed gratification I eat the veggies

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first and have the steak last on the

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plate so yeah you know so Christmas is

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kind of is lovely build up I don't mind

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the kind of pre-christmas build that

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delaying it lay and then and then

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that's you know it's it's own fun but to

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almost more fun

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the actual thing it's a it's a bad thing

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but I don't think so i don't think so i

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think what it does is it allows you to

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plan the next thing and it's in the

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doing in the preparing and the thinking

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it gets really fun I think this weekend

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you gave a chat about but from an

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atheist perspective talking about loss

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and grief and letting go how do you

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think that went if the response is

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actually really nice yeah it's it's one

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of these subjects like i said in the

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talk that whenever i do bring it up this

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community gets gets pretty responsive

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about it i mean it's and it's not

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something that is talked about that

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there's so much interesting stuff to

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talk about empirical stuff to talk about

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and yet you know everyone deals with

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relationships and emotions and loss and

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love and all those things and it's a

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much less empirical subject so i don't

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know if it gets glossed over or if it's

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just something that doesn't necessarily

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touches a nerve and person after person

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woman you know came up and her husband

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something and she was she was you know

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we both just held each other and just

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cried and it struck me like if anyone on

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the outside looking in kennice or would

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would dare to assume what would be

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happening at a skeptic convention i

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don't think they would think that kind

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of a thing would be happening which I

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said don't ever let anyone say that

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skeptics are cold or that science

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scientists people that are you know

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users of critical thinking empiricists

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can be cold can be heartless here we are

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two strangers in essence you know

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bonding over this idea of loss and how

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final and horrible losses and and how we

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range way embrace that and not imagine

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some kind of eternal afterlife for some

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kind of next part to this existence what

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about it and I've heard you talk about

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this on your podcast the more petty

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things like there's a small thing you'd

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like you could take your favorite guitar

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pick gets lost the jeans you like and no

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longer worried about you can't fit those

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favorite shoes you've been wearing for

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years that will let you how can

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you get rid of that niggling so you

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aren't like a crappy person for a couple

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of hours what on the smaller scale can

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we do sure that's a great question

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that's it and that's one of those those

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big ones are definitely the cosmic ones

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are you talking about but those small

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ones can make you a bad person for a

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couple of hours interesting yeah and

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two items into things even even skeptics

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even people that are like I said

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complete empiricists I mean I went and

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saw Darwin exhibit and I got chills when

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I saw his magnifying glass it was at the

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in New York at that museum natural

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history and the entire exhibit starts

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with his magnifying glass and you know

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part of me says there is no connection

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between this piece of metal and glass

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and Darwin there's no there's no you

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know but maybe there's a sly a couple

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molecules maybe but probably not a

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hundred years later there's no way and

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yet it was as close to sort of magic and

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a a relic that that I could get you know

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because he held it the idea he held it

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so yeah that that favorite guitar pick

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ok why is it the favorite guitar pick

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and and and who gives a ultimately

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when it goes missing but what you do is

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it because we are searching for

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consistency and meaning and maybe it's

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the consistency thing I'm a guy who's

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really big into you know a consistency

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you know knowing knowing the things that

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provide comfort for me recreating those

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it they can be lovely because they

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provide comfort but at the same time you

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can get stuck in a rut you know and that

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can be not as inspiring maybe as as

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pulling yourself out of a rut you know

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hopping on a plane and going to

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Australia can be really inspiring I mean

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I had last night I had to write a song

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really quickly is now I saw you doing

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that I was actually tucked away in the

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corner and I really wanted to go talk to

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you to get everyone to

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what was going on your head but I also

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knew that you're under the gun to get it

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done yeah so when he minutes what came

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first chord structure words words the

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story was sort of the idea and I

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recorded a bit of it and I got to say it

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didn't sound river at all it sounded

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like a joy fresh George song and did not

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sound derivative of any of your

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influences at all okay oh great yes yeah

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i mean i was hoping to tap into that

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deadline you know uber deadline thing

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that you have to finish this in 20

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minutes a half hour or whatever it is or

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at least get close to being done or

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start something significant and it

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seemed to work so the context is one of

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the one of the bid one of the auction

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items was I would write a song for an

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individual for them about someone about

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someone they love about someone they

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hate whatever so one gentleman bid on it

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and I pulled him aside and just said we

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just started talking us okay you know

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what do you do he was in anaesthetist I

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thought okay and that might be something

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like of mine maybe I don't know I heard

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he had an accent and I said were you

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from he said you know Adelaide I said

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well originally where you from he said

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Poland I was it go so when did you

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emigrate so in nineteen nineteen eighty

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six my family went on a trip to Italy

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and basically defected said we were

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going one place went to another place

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and escaped and I said okay that's the

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song I mean here's the story now you are

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here you know whatever 20 years later

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plus it's two years before the Wall fell

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down so you are risking your life your

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if your parents are risking the lives of

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their children or at least you know the

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safety of their children we're two years

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later it wouldn't necessarily mean the

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same thing like okay that there's

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something there and I sort of tried to

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mine that so the idea of no warning

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popped into my head they left cuz I

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think he said yeah my parents just left

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they got up no warning and they left and

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I thought no warning all right that's a

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cool title and that became the title and

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you just sort of go from there and it's

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like a new sort of grab on put the skis

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on and and you're behind the boat and

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you're just you know you're being pulled

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by the boat of songwriting hopefully it

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just went really well and look just

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talking to you the George rabbi met at

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tam I gotta say I'm talking to an

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been more confident and more happy

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inside himself George that I spoke to

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they're not that I thought you were not

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happy yourself but no you're just

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sitting here as confident as all hell

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and very everything sitting well

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everything's running well everything

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everything all the Pistons are firing at

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the right time and the cab red is firing

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at the right height of that piston

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whether the facade is just that much

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more sad is perfect with whatever's

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going on in there I don't care the

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facade has got me completely fooled too

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Jess oh yes this is hardened gesso years

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of years of patina on the outside as

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hosting this whole thing in this week it

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you have any casket moments where like

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something was that will hang on this

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doesn't make any sense what's going on

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here was there any occasionally you'll

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hear a sort of applause happen I'll be

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in the corner somewhere and you hear

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large large applause and you're trying

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to determine is that ending applause or

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is that appreciative applause of some

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moment that just happened and your heart

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skips for a second because you're not

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really need to be or prepared that was

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it i think that that was about the only

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a couple times that happened but there

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was no yeah there was no i have to say

401
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this was run exceptionally well on every

402
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level just from the prep and the venue

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itself I mean the AV there were no AV

404
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issues I mean normally it's just a wash

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and AV issue something like this and it

406
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wasn't we have a slot echo problem with

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the skeptics guide on stage yeah there

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was that the the venue is makuu stick

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she could mystics it's designed to be a

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performance space for music I assume and

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and not so much speaking so when I first

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got here Saturday morning yesterday

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morning gosh it seems like a week ago

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it's amazing the time-dilation the lab

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demant you pack in there yeah yeah I got

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here Saturday morning and I stood center

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stage with my guitar without any

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notification what so ever played a cord

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and it was beautiful I thought boy I

420
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don't need anything in here that

421
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unfortunately does not lend itself to

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sit you know on a panel with six people

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and talk to each other and the audience

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at the same time however they did

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everything they possibly could to to

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make everybody happy they kept trying

427
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different things and by the end we sort

428
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of had it I craft or at least much

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better than it was initially let's talk

430
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about the closest thing to an incident

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that I'd witnessed here not be looking

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hard in fact I've been trying to start a

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few oh how do I get the word

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controversial in front of my name what's

435
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the quickest way to do that thinking oh

436
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my god do you want that I would you

437
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I don't know the guy goes well it give

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me an extra name you know controversial

439
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may not ask Rebecca if it's worth it you

440
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know I mean lovely Rebecca will probably

441
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tell you that it's not yeah the the

442
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whatever sort of press you might get

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from a controversial thing I don't think

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it's quite necessarily personally worth

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it and it's it there's a price that you

446
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pay for it there was a moment if I had

447
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been in the room I certainly would have

448
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intervened on Friday night where you had

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two drunken redhead girls that would it

450
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sounded like they almost spoiled the

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show and I enrich it came down so all

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these two girls want to meet you because

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I hadn't seen the show cuz the room is a

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bit crowded and I went up and I was just

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talking to them at the end of it oh

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hello you're from and then this woman

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came in out of nowhere said you two were

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a selfish rude and horrible you ruined

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the show for lots of people and she just

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tore a bum all out of them and while she

461
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was correct she was great was correct

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look and if they had been doing that and

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I would have been up there I would have

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been devine sat down next to them and

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just told them quietly to do that and

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but as someone on stage there are ways

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you can sort of hint man you hint more

468
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directly and you hint more directly and

469
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more directly until i was i was

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literally yelling at them she know shut

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up stop talking like you are ruining the

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show sort of in a humorous way but very

473
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loud and it got a laugh and and most

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people will get the clue most people

475
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will get the clue the problem was it

476
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wasn't just that it was enthusiasm or

477
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excitement we're doing a game show and

478
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they're yelling out answers you know a

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game show where there are contestants

480
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involved and answers are being yelled

481
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out you know or 7 or J are trying to

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give their final closing thoughts that

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are the supposed to be a bit more of a

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serious skeptical scientific thing like

485
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what do we do as skeptics the not be

486
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until Isis of the rest of the show but

487
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sort of the point of the show and hoping

488
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and yelling and you see you know Evan

489
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being thrown for a second and being a

490
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trooper and muscle that to me is yeah I

491
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got very close to sort of saying you

492
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guys have to go I'm sorry I felt been in

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the room I said I certainly we've had a

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word to them but yet because it just

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it's it's it's very unusual it against

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unusual and there's a disbelief of like

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you really don't understand and then

498
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last night

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she came up and asked for a photo she

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came up and asked for a photo and then I

501
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was sort of stuck in that place of dua

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for the first time ever say no no I'm

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not taking a photo with you she asked

504
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everyone and I think Steve or whoever

505
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agreed to it before he realized who it

506
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was so we stood sort of as the SGU took

507
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a photo with her but I had my middle

508
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finger sort of subtly exposed so that

509
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made me feel good I had a bit of a puss

510
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on my face and my middle finger was

511
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shown so if she does show the other

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people at least I mean this is the only

513
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picture of its kind so maybe that was a

514
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weird thing to give her something of

515
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weird value do you think it was the

516
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drunkenness it was the probable this

517
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person was not used to a live

518
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performance elimination I think it's a

519
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combination of excitement which I

520
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understand i know i've been to lots of

521
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shows where I'm excited we're especially

522
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when I was younger I would I would in my

523
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enthusiasm and excitement to let the

524
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person that's performing know that I am

525
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a fan of theirs I've overstepped bounds

526
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I've actually I mean I've apologized

527
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mike keneally is ax is a big sort of

528
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hero of mine and guitarist Frank Zappa's

529
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guitarist and as a 22 year old I was at

530
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a show of his once and I was yelling

531
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things out to sort of say I'm on the

532
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inside I get what you do I get it oh

533
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here's a reference here's a reference

534
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here's a reference and was the 15 years

535
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later there was a podcast where he was a

536
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guest and I was a guest I just got to

537
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apologize and I said look Mike this has

538
00:21:03,570 --> 00:21:01,360
been bothering me for a long time I am

539
00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:03,580
sorry I apologize to you and your family

540
00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:05,800
and any any loved ones that you might

541
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:08,260
have now or in the future I was I was a

542
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:11,050
douchebag and I but so I understand the

543
00:21:16,290 --> 00:21:14,410
excitement once it's clamped down though

544
00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:16,300
usually people get it and they behave

545
00:21:20,970 --> 00:21:18,190
you know this was just the alcohol then

546
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,980
inhibits the clamping down and it just

547
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:23,200
boy in just exacerbates so it makes her

548
00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:25,090
a memorable experience and we will talk

549
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,920
about her probably for the for the rest

550
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:29,200
of our lives as that one time what was

551
00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:30,730
the worst you know person in the

552
00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:32,440
audience oh yes it was this redhead in

553
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,110
Sydney well I've got an important issue

554
00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:37,120
to deal out with you it goes back many

555
00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:40,270
podcasts ago you you gave a very hard

556
00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:42,520
time to male sex toys particularly the

557
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,350
fleshlight you were so you're really

558
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:46,480
wailing out on men that have flashlights

559
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:47,890
and why that have this thing

560
00:21:50,850 --> 00:21:49,510
looks like a tennis ball container and

561
00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:50,860
that kind of thing and I thought well

562
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:52,510
that's a bit sexist on your but why

563
00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:54,250
can't men have sex toys like women could

564
00:21:58,020 --> 00:21:56,140
have vibrators do you know I thought I

565
00:21:59,280 --> 00:21:58,030
thought the opening of a podcast you're

566
00:22:00,780 --> 00:21:59,290
talking about being up late and seeing

567
00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:00,790
it as part of an informational know that

568
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:02,470
I think the point of that rant wasn't

569
00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:03,490
the fact that the gentleman had the

570
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:05,230
flashlight the point of that rant was

571
00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:06,160
that the gentleman that had the

572
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:07,750
flashlight that was posting videos of

573
00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:11,530
himself using it had tan lines oh also

574
00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:13,900
Ted's completely different I'm sorry it

575
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:15,430
was fascinating that this guy who was

576
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:18,370
completely willing to to post himself

577
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:22,260
you know on the web humping this thing

578
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:25,930
in public is modest and has to have has

579
00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:28,030
to cover portion of you know it had like

580
00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:30,310
and it wasn't even like it was some kind

581
00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:32,140
of bikini tan line it was like shorts

582
00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:34,900
talent I thought this guy is is modest

583
00:22:38,580 --> 00:22:36,430
that was fascinating to me that he's

584
00:22:41,010 --> 00:22:38,590
modest enough to wear something which

585
00:22:43,650 --> 00:22:41,020
will leave tan lines but he's okay with

586
00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:43,660
humping this tube on the internet that's

587
00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:48,190
me I I am all for personal recreation

588
00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:50,380
shall we say and hey whatever you want

589
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:52,180
to do is totally fine I've never I've

590
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:53,770
never used a fleshlight I've heard good

591
00:23:00,990 --> 00:22:58,330
things to me I think my limitation of

592
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:01,000
using something like that any device

593
00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:04,510
that you use is usually wonderful until

594
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,430
you're done with it hmm there's that

595
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:08,320
moment where you're done where you have

596
00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:10,810
to take the 3d glasses off and you go

597
00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:13,510
wow okay it's because it even the best

598
00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:16,060
of circumstances there is a bit of a den

599
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:18,220
you mall you know at the end and you

600
00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:20,710
realize Here I am again okay that's fine

601
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,860
so when you add a device to it it adds a

602
00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:26,080
certain sort of sadness to be overall

603
00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:28,840
experience wash it out and hang it in

604
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:31,030
the shower there's an octopus and all

605
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:33,310
that's alright it's that thing there and

606
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:34,930
look let's talk a bit more about

607
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:36,850
Christmas is this the year the pantomime

608
00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:38,740
donkey and George goes to the bethlehem

609
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:41,020
in where you live and you ask them if

610
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:42,970
there's any room I think this should be

611
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,530
the year i think i think i should return

612
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:47,200
from my trip here and and finally do it

613
00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:48,970
finally get get like the best yeah

614
00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:52,030
pantomime donkey Mary combination outfit

615
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,800
and go say what do you mean there's no

616
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:54,720
room yeah

617
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,539
if you animate it or you do a recreation

618
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:00,480
of it with it as if it's a 70s like The

619
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:02,130
Odd Couple thing or something like fade

620
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:03,659
the color on the video or something and

621
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,730
put the laugh track in yeah I like that

622
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:07,860
idea okay we'll get a co-producer credit

623
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:09,900
for you for that yeah good and because

624
00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:11,159
this is the moment we reveal that

625
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,780
actually you George and I have a lot in

626
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:14,580
common with both Volkswagen drivers oh

627
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:17,130
yes did you get your part big it yes I

628
00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:19,289
didn't get my part you can't get the

629
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,150
handle for two thousand beetle if it

630
00:24:24,919 --> 00:24:23,159
snaps in your country unless you have to

631
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:24,929
know a guy called Dave or something I

632
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:27,419
think so you cut it I because I got this

633
00:24:29,659 --> 00:24:28,650
lovely email from you saying if you

634
00:24:31,399 --> 00:24:29,669
don't mind could you get this piece and

635
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:31,409
bring with you oh yeah sure fine one day

636
00:24:35,539 --> 00:24:33,090
I went to close the door and I got was

637
00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:35,549
the handle oh wow as ones okay now you

638
00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:37,590
have the the first iteration of the new

639
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,870
iterations the bouquet that you like it

640
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:41,760
you like it I do like it like I was

641
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,559
original a beetle die burger and the

642
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:46,320
satyr a golf guy Oh golf yeah yeah yeah

643
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:48,659
yeahs golf though the the five-door you

644
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,270
know the swing back the and did you pay

645
00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:53,760
the full money for the defrost on the

646
00:24:56,899 --> 00:24:55,230
back windscreen when you bought if we

647
00:24:58,340 --> 00:24:56,909
were in your place to glass when I

648
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:58,350
replace the glass I did not get the

649
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,880
defrost on the back one screen yes and I

650
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:01,140
should have because boy it makes a huge

651
00:25:03,860 --> 00:25:02,580
difference but yeah when I smashed the

652
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:03,870
back window accidentally welcome all

653
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,880
packing gear they said you know it would

654
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:07,559
be a significant amount more if you want

655
00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:08,580
the defrost thing I thought you know

656
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:11,190
what I'll just I'll deal with it so yeah

657
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:12,299
there's a reason why they haven't

658
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:13,830
defroster oh my gosh yeah yeah

659
00:25:17,419 --> 00:25:15,780
absolutely but boy the Voodoo packing

660
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:17,429
technology of that car is just amazing

661
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:19,890
you put the seats down and I fit my drum

662
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,460
set my drum riser our sub R stands all

663
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,860
of our band swag and a passenger seat is

664
00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:28,320
open so it's amazing it's amazing look

665
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:29,340
up you've got a guy there's a lot of

666
00:25:32,270 --> 00:25:30,360
people that need to talk to you they're

667
00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:32,280
just a few quick questions here I'm look

668
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:33,870
we'll do it it's okay it's like a

669
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,450
science or fiction ok but like yes I'm

670
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,640
going to read you for porn titles only

671
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,559
one of them is not real okay these were

672
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:42,659
nominated for avn award okay there's a

673
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:45,110
nominee for Ava okay we've got iron man

674
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:48,690
medieval head man of steel just in

675
00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:52,070
beaver fever what was the second one

676
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,220
I think medieval head is not the real

677
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,559
one that is correct well done I knew I

678
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:03,200
should've got the 2 2015 Awards because

679
00:26:07,210 --> 00:26:05,690
you know the 2014 Awards thank you yes i

680
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,220
was i was actually backstage for most of

681
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:08,840
those you know I'm disappointed in porn

682
00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:10,250
titles because porn titles used to be a

683
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:12,260
fun thing where they would slightly

684
00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:14,360
alter the title whereas now they just

685
00:26:18,820 --> 00:26:16,820
call it you know whatever the parity is

686
00:26:21,159 --> 00:26:18,830
and say the the porn parody so it's

687
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:21,169
Batman the porn parody as opposed to fat

688
00:26:25,149 --> 00:26:23,690
man or bat dick or whatever would be

689
00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:25,159
they don't there's like no effort

690
00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:26,870
anymore there's no effort and I think

691
00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:28,100
it's a shame I think it's a real shame

692
00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:29,720
it's a loss look and look I'll be

693
00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:31,220
announcing this one I asked the st you

694
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:32,750
guys it's the big skeptical question a

695
00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:34,130
lot of people been talking about spy

696
00:26:41,049 --> 00:26:39,080
skills or Village People Oh Maynard that

697
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,059
that might be one of the most difficult

698
00:26:46,659 --> 00:26:44,240
questions you've ever asked me hmm oh my

699
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:46,669
gosh it pulls the different areas of the

700
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:51,070
psyche it pulls it many things yeah oh

701
00:27:00,430 --> 00:26:58,460
my gosh I oh alright solely because of

702
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:00,440
the Vanguard I would have to say village

703
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:03,049
people because they they were they were

704
00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:05,809
first they were they were first so I

705
00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:07,820
think they get they get half a point

706
00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:10,190
extra what boy that's that's a really

707
00:27:14,139 --> 00:27:12,200
good one that's a really good one look

708
00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:14,149
I'll go now could you just give a

709
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,279
cheerio to all the bunga bunga lessness

710
00:27:20,049 --> 00:27:18,320
out there yes all you bungo bungo

711
00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:20,059
listeners make sure your bunga's are

712
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:21,980
packed or in your overhead compartment

713
00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:23,990
because things may shuffle while bunga

714
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:27,500
Inge I'm very glad to be able to talk to

715
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,809
mr. dick smith and I spoke to you at am

716
00:27:32,769 --> 00:27:31,279
Australia and it's great to have a chat

717
00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:32,779
to you again I'm a bit disappoint you

718
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:34,070
haven't been demonized in the press

719
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:35,240
lately you've been letting the side down

720
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:37,250
a bit yes it is a bit I don't know

721
00:27:40,539 --> 00:27:38,809
what's happening i'll have to stir up a

722
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:40,549
little bit with them maybe I'm all on

723
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:42,380
side with them now look I certainly

724
00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:44,210
enjoyed your talk again well last time I

725
00:27:47,649 --> 00:27:45,320
spoke to you would you're talking about

726
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:47,659
population control and we agreed then

727
00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:49,610
that no one even wants to raise it has

728
00:27:53,529 --> 00:27:51,740
anything changed now first of all I'm

729
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:53,539
certainly not into population control

730
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:56,390
but I'm very interested into into living

731
00:28:01,000 --> 00:27:58,490
in balance and I think that we should

732
00:28:03,370 --> 00:28:01,010
stabilize our population Australia we

733
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,380
have about 23 million now sounds to me

734
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:05,840
about 25 million will be pretty good but

735
00:28:09,139 --> 00:28:07,710
the right we're going we could have

736
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:09,149
hundred million at the end of this

737
00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:11,370
century when our grandkids will still be

738
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:13,830
alive and not many people think that's a

739
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,529
sensible number for Australia now I was

740
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:18,000
I thought of you either die when they

741
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:19,500
were you and was talking about the world

742
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:21,090
population will grow by about another

743
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:22,380
billion and they reckon it will

744
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,299
stabilize it that do you think that's

745
00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:26,880
possible it's amazing the UN said two

746
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:28,590
different things one is it could

747
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,140
stabilize about 10 billion the other the

748
00:28:35,779 --> 00:28:33,120
latest figures show that it could go up

749
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,789
to 12 or 14 billion hmmm and that's

750
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:37,320
going to be just completely not

751
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:39,270
sustainable at the present time we use

752
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:40,919
about one and a half times the world's

753
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:44,159
resources every year and as the the

754
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:46,169
people who are on basically five dollars

755
00:28:48,909 --> 00:28:47,610
a day as they raise their standard of

756
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:48,919
living which they should be allowed to

757
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,409
in fact it's impossible to have the

758
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:54,539
whole ten billion people on this earth

759
00:29:00,139 --> 00:28:58,320
which it will be in 2060 to have them

760
00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:00,149
living on the stand of material stand

761
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:01,950
living that we have in australia or

762
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:04,020
america or europe that would be

763
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,340
impossible they simply wouldn't be

764
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:07,919
enough resources in fact the only reason

765
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,700
we can have 7 billion now is because two

766
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:13,380
or three billion basically live at

767
00:29:17,299 --> 00:29:15,630
subsistence levels and I think it's

768
00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:17,309
right you said in your talk that because

769
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,630
you have someone that's benefited from

770
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:20,460
growth and you've made money out of it

771
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:22,500
who better than to talk about the perils

772
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,090
of it than someone that has benefited

773
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:26,220
from yeah here's the thing that whilst

774
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:28,140
I've benefited from growth I have a

775
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,080
concern about my grandchildren who will

776
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,080
I think be living near the limits to

777
00:29:38,539 --> 00:29:36,840
growth and I think we should be planning

778
00:29:41,049 --> 00:29:38,549
now to live in balance just about

779
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,059
everything in nature lives in balance

780
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,740
cancer cells don't live in balance but

781
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:45,960
they normally grow exponentially and

782
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,090
then kill their hosts I don't think we'd

783
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,860
like to be linked with those maybe

784
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,559
locusts don't live in balance though

785
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:54,480
their form of nature is to breed in

786
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,090
billions and then die of starvation in

787
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,279
billions it would be terrible if humans

788
00:30:03,019 --> 00:30:00,720
are that stupid that we have to follow

789
00:30:04,639 --> 00:30:03,029
the locusts rather than just about

790
00:30:06,019 --> 00:30:04,649
everything else in nature which lives in

791
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:06,029
balance of course when you talk about

792
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:08,130
this week think of the Chinese having to

793
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,409
oppose things upon people and it would

794
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:11,760
be good if we could get people to do it

795
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:13,529
of their free will what is the way best

796
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:15,270
way to do that oh there's no problems

797
00:30:20,419 --> 00:30:17,159
just to educate people once you educate

798
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:20,429
people population growth drops in fact

799
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:21,130
in Australia

800
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:23,710
we have our population from births and

801
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:26,830
deaths is about level but we have this

802
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:28,930
enormous immigration rate and if you

803
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:31,900
look at countries like Italy most

804
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,670
developed countries are certainly Japan

805
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:35,760
their population is actually decreasing

806
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:37,630
Japan's kind of stable at the moment

807
00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:39,550
aren't they oh no it's it's going from

808
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:42,340
120 million by 2050 it'll be 90 million

809
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:44,560
know all the economists are saying isn't

810
00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:46,840
this a disaster I'm saying it's not a

811
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:48,820
disaster it shows that Japanese women

812
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,310
are sensible but there's no birth

813
00:30:57,270 --> 00:30:54,480
control there in fact Japan has a

814
00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:57,280
twenty-thousand-dollar baby bonus a lot

815
00:31:00,930 --> 00:30:59,080
more than our two thousand dollars and

816
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:00,940
even with a twenty-thousand-dollar baby

817
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:03,670
bonus Japanese women are sensible or not

818
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:06,010
having too many kids they now Japan's a

819
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:07,830
small country and won't be able to feed

820
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:10,840
120 million people and how do you think

821
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:12,550
we can get this on the political agenda

822
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:14,470
agenda even just to talk about it and we

823
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:15,820
only wanted to talk about it as soon as

824
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:17,290
we start to talk about people you don't

825
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:19,300
like the immigrants or whatever race

826
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:20,890
they are big and that's just not what

827
00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:22,450
it's about yeah absolutely right now

828
00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:24,820
it's almost impossible because our whole

829
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:26,920
economic system requires perpetual

830
00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:30,000
growth it's a type of Ponzi scheme and

831
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:32,590
it to try and get a politician who would

832
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,110
be game enough to doubt growth first of

833
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,880
all I'd be attacked by the media all of

834
00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:39,760
the big capitalistic companies but one

835
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:42,280
day what I'm disappointed about is the

836
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:44,110
universities that are not teaching

837
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:47,350
people that you can't have perpetual

838
00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:49,570
growth in a fine art world and we should

839
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:51,280
be developing a system and that's where

840
00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:53,740
we need the most educated people

841
00:31:58,350 --> 00:31:55,990
developing an economic system that can

842
00:31:59,820 --> 00:31:58,360
live in balance and dick you are going

843
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,830
now won't keep you any longer I like

844
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:01,360
asking this question if there was one

845
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:03,310
form of whew that was actually real

846
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,590
either talking to the dead telekinesis

847
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:07,120
psychic ability what would be the one

848
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:09,520
you think but that'll be good I think

849
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:11,230
I'd love to travel forward and backwards

850
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:13,690
in time people believe you can do that

851
00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:15,280
don't they they certainly do is there

852
00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:16,360
any way you'd like to visit in

853
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:19,270
particular I'd like I'd like to go back

854
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:22,390
and see some of the times the 20s and

855
00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:25,000
30s I'd love to be an aviator and before

856
00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:27,400
all the aviation records were broken I'd

857
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:28,900
like to be born a couple of years before

858
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:30,940
Kingsford Smith and try and fly the

859
00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:32,650
Pacific before he

860
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:34,660
wow that's pretty dangerous stuff but

861
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:36,940
you know you know then again and I

862
00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:38,530
suppose I would probably have to die

863
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:40,630
because history shows that no one

864
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:43,480
succeeded before he did that's to fix me

865
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:45,040
thank you very much and thank you for

866
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:46,570
your work on the skepticism today

867
00:33:00,919 --> 00:32:48,040
wonderful to talk to you again thank you

868
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:04,770
on Maynard calm don't you answer holiday

869
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,590
in Cambodia where people dress in black

870
00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:10,980
it's holiday

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00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:14,280
bo bo where you'll kiss too short crack

872
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,070
Merry Christmas everybody thank you

873
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:19,620
hello this is weird al yankovic we've

874
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:21,929
made our this Christmas I'll be smearing

875
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:23,970
every square inch of my body with

876
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:26,220
boysenberry yogurt getting ready for

877
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,860
that festive holiday JJ is a man who has

878
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:31,440
rebooted the star trek movie franchise

879
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:33,540
very successfully illness like why not

880
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,770
just give him doctor who and be done

881
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:36,600
with it that's true give him doctor who

882
00:33:40,010 --> 00:33:38,250
he could prolly reboot the Magic

883
00:33:50,299 --> 00:33:40,020
Roundabout just imagine what Zebedee

884
00:33:51,890 --> 00:33:50,309
he'd come up with an Irish atmos I thank

885
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:51,900
you very much for Mary Shep mr. whitey

886
00:34:00,390 --> 00:33:54,419
wall in fact Good King Wenceslas looked

887
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:05,350
when the slowly round about deep and

888
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:10,730
Chris and even on Manor calm down are

889
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:26,210
you hey you welcome to a week in science

890
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:28,250
from our iOS bringing you the science

891
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:31,609
you need to know MSG is often demonized

892
00:34:37,149 --> 00:34:34,310
as an unhealthy or dangerous additive to

893
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:37,159
food but is it really or if we all just

894
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:43,490
been taken in by a mess why are so many

895
00:34:48,099 --> 00:34:45,500
people convinced that msg can be

896
00:34:50,109 --> 00:34:48,109
dangerous to our health the story traces

897
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:50,119
back to nineteen sixty eight when a

898
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:51,740
letter to the New England Journal of

899
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,780
Medicine attributed symptoms such as

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00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:56,960
numbness flushing palpitations and

901
00:35:01,960 --> 00:34:59,990
sweating to Chinese restaurant food the

902
00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:01,970
story was then universally popularized

903
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,720
in 1972 when Hollywood star Lorne Greene

904
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:07,760
collapsed on exiting a Chinese

905
00:35:12,579 --> 00:35:10,250
restaurant when explaining the incident

906
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:12,589
to the New York Times he said the food

907
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:15,260
was goddamn delicious but filled with

908
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:17,930
monosodium glutamate and that is how the

909
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:20,529
myth was born

910
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:24,170
despite this and many claims against msg

911
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:27,410
since 1972 extensive scientific research

912
00:35:32,289 --> 00:35:29,450
has failed to demonstrate any link

913
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:32,299
between msg and adverse human reactions

914
00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:35,390
but while msg is often considered a food

915
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:37,940
additive glutamates occur naturally in

916
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:40,430
fresh foods and are eaten extensively by

917
00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:42,650
all cultures playing an important role

918
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:45,380
in our nutrition glutamic acid is

919
00:35:49,749 --> 00:35:47,690
converted to glutamate once in the human

920
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:49,759
body and plays an important role as a

921
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,180
neurotransmitter and as an antioxidant

922
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:54,890
humans have even evolved a palate to

923
00:35:59,950 --> 00:35:56,930
detect the presence of glutamate in our

924
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:59,960
food hence the savory response and as a

925
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:02,960
way to maintain a balanced diet in fact

926
00:36:07,569 --> 00:36:04,970
if the developed world swapped table

927
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:07,579
salt for msg the reduction in sodium

928
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,529
intake would prevent tens of thousands

929
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:11,599
of strokes and heart attacks each year

930
00:36:20,739 --> 00:36:18,049
and now for fast facts about msg msg was

931
00:36:22,809 --> 00:36:20,749
discovered in 1908 by japanese scientist

932
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:22,819
kakunai Ikeda who found the

933
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:24,859
naturally-occurring crystalline compound

934
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,230
created a delicious meaty and savory

935
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:29,839
flavor in food foods naturally high in

936
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:32,089
glutamic acid include Parmesan cheese

937
00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:36,079
peas mushrooms tomatoes Vegemite and

938
00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:39,230
human breast milk we have taste buds for

939
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:41,480
umami and so it is considered the fifth

940
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:44,690
taste alongside sweet salty acid and

941
00:36:49,390 --> 00:36:47,690
bitter and even though umami and msg are

942
00:36:51,849 --> 00:36:49,400
one and the same no one has ever

943
00:36:54,339 --> 00:36:51,859
reported a case of umami poisoning

944
00:36:57,489 --> 00:36:54,349
that's it for this week in science for

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00:37:02,739 --> 00:36:57,499
more information on msg go to the Arias

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00:37:04,839 --> 00:37:02,749
website RI aus ok you follow us on

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964
00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:19,760
hello this is Joe alabaster

965
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:21,950
couple of weeks ago I left you at the

966
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,910
end of Saturday's talks at the

967
00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:26,000
Australian skeptics National Convention

968
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:29,070
2014 but the end of the talks was

969
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:31,290
nowhere near the end of the day Saturday

970
00:38:36,830 --> 00:38:34,650
night was the convention dinner the food

971
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:36,840
was lovely at the company fantastic and

972
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:39,720
the entertainment I loved it we were

973
00:38:43,850 --> 00:38:41,490
treated to a show from magician and

974
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:43,860
comedian Nicholas the honest con man

975
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:46,470
Johnson who demonstrated some Street

976
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:49,980
cons card counting and in reference to

977
00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:52,050
faith healer John of God's psychic

978
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:54,600
surgery performed the blockhead trick

979
00:38:59,660 --> 00:38:57,390
and now hammered into the noise are

980
00:39:02,090 --> 00:38:59,670
personally I'm a huge fan of sideshow

981
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:02,100
acts and stage magic so I had a great

982
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:06,480
time next up was the SGU auction lucky

983
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:09,180
buddhas one posters coffee with novellas

984
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:13,110
or no valet attendants at a special SGU

985
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:15,540
recording and a song written on the spot

986
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:18,780
by George harib I tried to make a

987
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:20,790
sensible decision and headed back to my

988
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,890
kind host motox house after the dinner

989
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:25,380
only to spend a few hours sitting up and

990
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:29,160
chatting with her whoops the first talk

991
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:30,840
on Sunday morning was from Peter

992
00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:33,120
Ashworth who cheerfully looked out over

993
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:35,070
the audience and noted that she had

994
00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:37,290
scored the hangover session though

995
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,790
plenty of us who'd managed to haul

996
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:40,380
ourselves out of bed and get to the

997
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:42,540
convention center but I suspected a few

998
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:43,950
of us were looking a little worse for

999
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,460
wear Peter spoke about the politics of

1000
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:49,520
discussing climate change in Australia

1001
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,230
noting how few climate scientists are

1002
00:39:58,850 --> 00:39:54,000
involved in public discourse on the

1003
00:40:01,070 --> 00:39:58,860
topic next up was one of my favorites

1004
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Peter Hadfield who spoke about

1005
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:03,210
techniques used to edit interviews in

1006
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,900
particular for television Peter Hadfield

1007
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:08,640
is a journalist and author who has

1008
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:12,240
worked for the ABC BBC CBC and New

1009
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:14,910
Scientist to name a few and runs a

1010
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:16,650
YouTube channel under the handle

1011
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:19,980
potholer 54 on which he publishes videos

1012
00:40:26,350 --> 00:40:22,590
who's created which explains scientific

1013
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:26,360
concepts and debunk unscientific claims

1014
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:28,980
now overhearing these videos was

1015
00:40:32,539 --> 00:40:30,660
actually one of the reasons I became

1016
00:40:34,669 --> 00:40:32,549
interested in skepticism

1017
00:40:37,309 --> 00:40:34,679
alongside an appreciation of stage magic

1018
00:40:40,549 --> 00:40:37,319
and astonishment that anti-vaccination

1019
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:40,559
asst actually existed so I was very keen

1020
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:42,390
to hear him speak and perhaps say hello

1021
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:45,390
to him later incidentally that's one of

1022
00:40:49,669 --> 00:40:47,369
my favorite aspects about conventions

1023
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:49,679
such as these being able to meet and

1024
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:52,170
chat with some of the speakers this is

1025
00:40:55,549 --> 00:40:53,609
lovely being able to give feedback to

1026
00:40:57,499 --> 00:40:55,559
people whose work you've appreciated and

1027
00:41:01,459 --> 00:40:57,509
I enjoyed chatting with several of the

1028
00:41:03,949 --> 00:41:01,469
speakers during the convention Peter had

1029
00:41:06,769 --> 00:41:03,959
fields talk was excellent providing some

1030
00:41:09,259 --> 00:41:06,779
wonderful tools for skeptics and ideally

1031
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:09,269
the wider community to use when reading

1032
00:41:14,029 --> 00:41:11,099
quotes or listening to or watching

1033
00:41:16,669 --> 00:41:14,039
interviews some of these are covered in

1034
00:41:19,489 --> 00:41:16,679
his youtube videos on TV tricks of the

1035
00:41:21,739 --> 00:41:19,499
trade quotes and cutaways which can be

1036
00:41:26,779 --> 00:41:21,749
found on his youtube channel pothole of

1037
00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:26,789
54 or by googling the next talk was by

1038
00:41:31,669 --> 00:41:29,579
dr. Bronwyn Hemsley a senior lecturer in

1039
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:31,679
speech pathology at the university of

1040
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:34,170
newcastle on facilitated communication

1041
00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:37,529
an appraisal of the evidence relating to

1042
00:41:42,469 --> 00:41:40,799
authorship Bronwyn spoke on issues

1043
00:41:44,689 --> 00:41:42,479
related to ways in which people with

1044
00:41:47,779 --> 00:41:44,699
difficulties communicating via speech I

1045
00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:47,789
able to communicate otherwise utilizing

1046
00:41:52,759 --> 00:41:50,579
technology assistance and combinations

1047
00:41:55,339 --> 00:41:52,769
thereof and have troubles which have

1048
00:41:58,929 --> 00:41:55,349
arisen in situations where human error

1049
00:42:01,489 --> 00:41:58,939
has affected facilitated communication

1050
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:01,499
then Michael Marshall took us through

1051
00:42:06,049 --> 00:42:03,660
some of his experiences in dealing with

1052
00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:06,059
pseudo scientific and bizarre claims in

1053
00:42:11,329 --> 00:42:08,939
the United Kingdom his stories and

1054
00:42:13,279 --> 00:42:11,339
explanations of his approach were not

1055
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:13,289
only interesting but rather humorous at

1056
00:42:17,299 --> 00:42:15,630
times and a few people have mentioned to

1057
00:42:18,739 --> 00:42:17,309
me that they're feeling inspired to get

1058
00:42:23,059 --> 00:42:18,749
out and engage with the public as a

1059
00:42:26,269 --> 00:42:23,069
result the final talk before lunch was

1060
00:42:28,219 --> 00:42:26,279
from dr. alex Wardak he's an interesting

1061
00:42:29,689 --> 00:42:28,229
guy and I was very pleased to see that

1062
00:42:33,229 --> 00:42:29,699
he was scheduled to speak at the

1063
00:42:35,059 --> 00:42:33,239
convention dr. Wardak is a physician has

1064
00:42:37,579 --> 00:42:35,069
been a director of the alcohol and drug

1065
00:42:39,439 --> 00:42:37,589
service in Vincent Hospital and his

1066
00:42:43,699 --> 00:42:39,449
president of the Australian drug law

1067
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,709
reform foundation dr. were dark spoke on

1068
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:46,020
evidence-based harm minimisation

1069
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,780
related to drug use his positions have

1070
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:50,640
been regarded as controversial as

1071
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:53,070
evidence suggests that prohibition of

1072
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substances is a poor way to reduce risks

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for those who use them if this is a

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subject would interest you he's written

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few articles which can be found by a

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Google after lunch the folks from the

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skeptics guide to the universe held

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another live recording joined by George

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robe which was interrupted by a very

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special guest to the convention mr.

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James Randi who just flown into the

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country for his honestly tour across

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Australia that was absolutely delightful

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to Sam and a wonderful surprise I'm very

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glad that he was able to find time in

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his schedule to come along and say hello

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he stayed with the SGU panel for a

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little while before heading off

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receiving a standing ovation from the

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audience following SGU author and

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historian peter fitzsimons whose topic

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was glibly but straight from the airport

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and without his notes he delivered an

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energetic and professional on-the-fly

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talk which also included many stories

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from his own life and discussed his

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personal philosophies pedda fit simons

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holds the honor of being the second

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speaker at the convention to cause a few

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tears from the audience leaving me to

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wonder whether we order challenged the

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stereotype that skeptics tend to

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00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:11,400
resemble Vulcans after a break dr. grant

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hill course on a medical microbiologist

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and lecturer and communicable disease

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epidemiology giving us some timely facts

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on Ebola virus in the wake of many myths

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surrounding the current outbreak then

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Adam van langenberg high school teacher

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and past winner of the Fred Thor net

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award who spoke on the skeptic group he

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runs at the high school he teaches at

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and the website of resources for

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students he's put together to assist

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others who might want to address

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skepticism and critical thinking in

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schools the website can be found at

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skeptics cool calm and it's amazing I'm

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echoing a sentiment I heard repeated

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many times after his talk I wish they'd

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been a teacher at my high school like

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mr. v he is engaging humorous and a lot

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00:45:01,460 --> 00:44:59,550
of fun the last

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talk of the day and of the convention

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00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:04,530
was from dr. Steven novella who talked

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about ways in which we as skeptics

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conduct ourselves when we engage with

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those who don't necessarily agree with

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our position now i can't do the nuances

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of his talk justice he spoke at the

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value of civility and politeness the

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traps we can fall into when picking out

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logical fallacies rather than hearing

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the essence and conclusion of an

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argument he spoke about fairness about

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viewing others in a charitable manner

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and behaving like an adult about being

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patient but realizing that there's a

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point at which it's appropriate to

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disengage into this with great school

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and managed to address these points in a

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manner which was modest and non

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00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:43,650
authoritarian I've enjoyed Steve

1144
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,150
novellas writing on science-based

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00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:47,460
medicine for a long while now and I

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00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:49,260
enjoyed the tone of his speech similarly

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00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:51,120
it was a great way to round off the

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day's talks the convention concluded

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with the announcement everyone was

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00:46:01,840 --> 00:45:59,850
waiting for Brisbane will be hosting the

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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2015 this I'm really excited about

1153
00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:08,310
Brisbane skeptics society did such a

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fantastic job running their first

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skeptic camp in 2014 they've got a great

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group of people on their organizing

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committee who I think all put on a

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fantastic event they'll be holding it a

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little earlier in the year than previous

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conventions of been so long in the 16th

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to the 18th of October 2015 news is

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they've already booked their headline

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speaker Nobel laureate Brian Schmidt you

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00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:35,880
can stay up to date on convention use by

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00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,190
signing up for the Australian skeptics

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National Convention 2015 event on

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Facebook checking out the website at

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convention Brisbane skeptics org or

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00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:49,620
following the twitter count or skip corn

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that's a uske PCO n and of course we'll

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00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:56,850
be keeping you up to date with news as

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00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:58,710
it comes to hand here on the skeptic

1173
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,520
zone there was one more event associated

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00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:04,980
with the 2014 convention here in sydney

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00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:07,830
a last minute live performance by george

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00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:09,930
her ab late sunday evening at a nearby

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hotel and then drinks at a pub

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00:47:17,549 --> 00:47:14,710
yeah for those of us who weren't ready

1179
00:47:19,739 --> 00:47:17,559
for the content I had an absolutely

1180
00:47:22,289 --> 00:47:19,749
fantastic time at both and during the

1181
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:22,299
entire convention I was ready to sleep

1182
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:24,220
for days once i got home but i love that

1183
00:47:33,329 --> 00:47:31,229
again I'd like to thank dr. Bob's trivia

1184
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,339
quiz for sponsorship of the skeptic zone

1185
00:47:38,279 --> 00:47:34,960
which allowed me to attend the

1186
00:47:40,259 --> 00:47:38,289
convention thank you I'd also like to

1187
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thank the covert group of listeners who

1188
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pass the hat around to ensure i had a

1189
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ticket to the dinner event should my

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investigative skills fail me and I don't

1191
00:47:54,329 --> 00:47:49,119
end up working out who you all know that

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00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,339
you have my utmost gratitude as it's the

1193
00:47:58,140 --> 00:47:56,079
end of the year I'd also like to take

1194
00:48:00,989 --> 00:47:58,150
this opportunity to give a few more

1195
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:00,999
thanks it's been a year since my first

1196
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:02,920
appearance on the skeptic zone when it

1197
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:04,390
may not approach me with his microphone

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and ask me a few questions at last

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year's Australian skeptics national

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convention now here's a bit of a secret

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I'd noticed may not in the crowd

1202
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,059
conducting interviews and had actually

1203
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been hiding from him as I was painfully

1204
00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:20,710
shy very much convinced that I'd make an

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00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,630
utter Twitter myself and I couldn't bear

1206
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the idea of having my voice recorded I

1207
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:26,769
was quite certain that I was limited to

1208
00:48:30,569 --> 00:48:28,390
blogging when it came to communicating

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information and perspectives relating to

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00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,549
skepticism which is silly and probably

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00:48:37,769 --> 00:48:35,440
rather irrational but there you have it

1212
00:48:39,749 --> 00:48:37,779
it took a bit of a leap of faith a

1213
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:39,759
well-timed opportunity and a bit of a

1214
00:48:44,489 --> 00:48:42,150
push to begin to convince me otherwise

1215
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:44,499
ever been reporting for the show since

1216
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:46,839
April and I'd like to thank you the

1217
00:48:51,059 --> 00:48:48,130
listeners for giving me your time

1218
00:48:52,859 --> 00:48:51,069
patience and support especially those of

1219
00:48:55,529 --> 00:48:52,869
you who have offered me feedback as I've

1220
00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:55,539
gotten my head around podcasting I hope

1221
00:48:58,410 --> 00:48:56,950
that I've entertained you and perhaps

1222
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,420
offered you something to think about

1223
00:49:04,019 --> 00:49:02,079
from time to time a special thank you to

1224
00:49:06,299 --> 00:49:04,029
those of you I've met in person over the

1225
00:49:07,769 --> 00:49:06,309
past year I really appreciate the

1226
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:07,779
friendliness and encouragement that

1227
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:10,210
you've shown me also thank you to my

1228
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:12,130
family who have rearranged our schedules

1229
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:14,170
many times over to enable me to attend

1230
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,180
events and write and record reports and

1231
00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:18,400
who have giggled at my voice along with

1232
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,880
me finally our serious debt of gratitude

1233
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:24,640
to Richard who took a chance on me has

1234
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:26,390
taught me a great deal and has given

1235
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:29,000
me some amazing opportunities thank you

1236
00:49:34,089 --> 00:49:31,940
Richard I'm very glad to be on the zone

1237
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:34,099
and look forward to continuing evidence

1238
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:51,180
in a world where the truth is a battle

1239
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:59,170
your messages are a scene for beyond

1240
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:02,859
and reason is sidelined for magical

1241
00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:11,240
only three men stand between the truth

1242
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,000
what date is it 78 several thing this is

1243
00:50:18,359 --> 00:50:16,720
impressive it's the task system present

1244
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:18,369
they're not their photographs of Chinese

1245
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anthem we are not well received is a

1246
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:23,470
good God we're fully don't discuss

1247
00:50:27,029 --> 00:50:25,150
cryptozoology on the show very often

1248
00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:27,039
because we don't know anything about how

1249
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:29,500
the truth the price gets lower and lower

1250
00:50:34,819 --> 00:50:31,210
and lower and then he hits a ceiling

1251
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:37,109
skeptic to the cave and moses house get

1252
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:40,089
to society find us on iTunes or you know

1253
00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:56,860
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1254
00:50:59,350 --> 00:50:58,280
zone and thank you to those people who

1255
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,360
wrote in and saying how much they

1256
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:02,240
enjoyed Heidi Robinson from the Northern

1257
00:51:07,330 --> 00:51:04,010
Rivers vaccination supporters group her

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00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:07,340
report on last week's episode about raw

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milk would anybody really bathe in raw

1260
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:15,280
milk I mean why would you bathe in milk

1261
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:17,560
you imagine you're sitting in the tub

1262
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:22,160
you get in and it's like milk will you

1263
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:23,810
put chocolate in there or bitter coffee

1264
00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:26,630
maybe maybe you can bathe in a chocolate

1265
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,900
milkshake it boggles the mind her report

1266
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on raw milk certainly was a

1267
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thought-provoking and I thought a very

1268
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:38,090
good report indeed Thank You Heidi I

1269
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hope we can hear more from you in 2015

1270
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and before I go thank you to all those

1271
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people who subscribe to the skeptic zone

1272
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:50,330
by paypal at skeptic zone TV less than a

1273
00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:52,250
dollar a week some people a bit more

1274
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:53,600
than a dollar a week it's all

1275
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appreciated and it all goes to good use

1276
00:52:03,420 --> 00:51:59,840
in fact in fact pretty soon I might have

1277
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to be buying a microphone for somebody

1278
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,290
I'll let you know I'll let you know but

1279
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:09,200
until next week this is Richard Saunders

1280
00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:19,970
signing off from Sydney Australia you've

1281
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:22,580
been listening to the skeptic zone

1282
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:27,410
visit our website at www skeptics on TV

1283
00:53:00,829 --> 00:52:30,440
for comments contacts and extra video

1284
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:05,740
every time this time of year

1285
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:15,710
wonder if it matters one bit why we're

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nicer my advice surf joy what the day

1287
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:26,730
brings despite stories of kings relish

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every time this time of year

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I explained in waste plain and clear

1290
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to my relief I have no belief in the

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reason for the season but I'm one who

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defends if these means to these ends

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result in smiling friends who once were

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I don't believe

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even Christmas

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but I love it anyway every time this

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a voice a voice some don't all dear and

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proudly shout despite my doubt season's

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greetings had family meetings and I

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still can't enjoy like when I was a boy

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unwrapping every toy that I get and each

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I don't believe

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even Christmas

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00:55:25,410 --> 00:55:35,060
but i love it anyway

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00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:40,980
the best of intentions never equal the

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gifts that you got with a season so

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perfect i'll forgive that it's reason is

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I

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every time this time of year

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I love the love both far and near and

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wonder if it matters one bit why were